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sales package in his view, against iran this is a concession this obama administration is not going to do anything ni military bircmilitaryabout the iranian nn program. >> santa clause is coming to town but dio john is right, we'e contain it. lou: overtime, secretary of state kery in istanbul, saying all of the entities all 6 nations involved in the talks will funnel their money through one rebel group in syria, right or wrong? >> a bad choice, bad idea to fund the rebel groups. >> there are houses of rebel groups, who are you going to fund, bad idea. lou: john thank you, and kt thank you. >> much more on the boston bombings flew out tonight's broadcast and what what early investigations are reveals. >> immigration reform. is it about the national interest? or about politics? >> we take it up in the chalk talk. >> stocks move higher today after worse week in the market this year. wells fargo chief economist john sylvia next. [ male announcer ] with free package pickup from the united states postal service a small jam maker can ship like a big business. just go online to pay, print a
forward in civilian court, the obama administration treated the efforts of certain vocal republicans to troll the president into engaging in a lawless departure from established process and precedent as exactly that, as trolling on and a half of a ridiculous and illegal proposition. >> he will not be treated as an enemy combatant. we will prosecute this terrorist under u.s. law. united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. this is absolutely the right way to go and the appropriate way to go. and when it comes to united states citizens, it is against the law to try them in military commissions. >> and it matters that the white house is treating the idea of holding an american citizen outside of the american legal system as what it is, which is crazy and unacceptable. and it matters that appears to be where americans stand on the issue too. when asked just last week in the midst of the aftermath of the boston bombing, with the images and videos of the horror there, the top of everyone's mind, which worries you more, the government will not go far enough to investigat
to guantanamo. in any case the obama administration has shown absolutely no interest in that idea and every indication is that he will be tried as a criminal defendant in an american criminal courtroom. >> lindsey graham who himself is a military attorney, has spent 30 years in the u.s. air force, he insists he wants tsarnaev to be tried in american civilian court, but that didn't preclude at least for now naming him an enemy combatant to try to question him to see if there are other bombs out there, other individuals who may be involved. sort of this imminent threat notion. is he on sound legal ground, lindsey graham, when he says, yes, he'll go before a civil trial, but at least for now name him an enemy combatant so he can be questioned? >> well, the obama administration has established a policy of a so-called public safety exception to the miranda rule where for some period of time, it's not entirely clear how long, a suspect can be questioned without miranda warnings and that apparently is what's happening here. again, it's complicated somewhat by the fact that we didn't know exactly w
there are serious issues regarding interrogation. president obama sent a signal of the administration's intentions last night. >> it's important that we do this right. that's why we have investigations. that's why we relentlessly gather the facts. that's why we have courts. >> meanwhile, his family is condemning and praising the brothers. his mother, in russia, claims they were set up and controlled by the f.b.i. >> i am really sure, like 100% sure that this is a set-up. my two sons are really innocent and i know that my -- neither of them never, never have talked about whatever they're saying about now. >> their uncle in maryland blamed religious extremism. >> religious extremism, whoever was able to brainwash them, a friend of mine, he started being his father. he called me confused. his uncle who always been there. i think -- >> police say after an exchange of gun fire, dzhokhar was captured hiding under a tarp in a boat. thermal images helped police locate the suspect. [ cheers and applause ] the arrest sparked spontaneous appreciation on the streets. >> usa! >> an emotional ceremony of relief
between the obama administration and some of the republican -- sorry about this and what that means is the obama administration has said the criminal justice system can make this work, the criminal can handle national security risks like this person, terrorists have been prosecuted, moussaoui. this administration is committed to using the american courts there are some critics, like senator mccain, like senator graham, who say that's too big a risk, that we have too many protection, we have too many abilities on the part of these defendants not to answer questions that put all of us at risk but i don't think there's any chance the obama administration is going to change its mind and use something other than the criminal justice system for this case. >> because a lot of people are raising questions, they had apparently some explosive devices, some weapons, rifles, hand grenades, stuff that's pretty expensive. where did they get this material? where did the money come from that helped them purchase this material? that's why some of these republican senators, lawmakers, are asking for
has only just begun, and the decision by the obama administration, not to designate him as an enemy combatant is upsetting several republicans. >> i have been informed that the obama administration has indicated this suspect in boston will not be treated as enemy combatant. i strongly disagree with the obama administration's decision to rule out enemy combatant status for this suspect at this time. >> let's bring in our senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin, joining us from new york. can or should a u.s. citizen be formally given this enemy combatant status? what does the law say? >> every terrorist suspect arrested in the united states, since the first world trade center bombing in 1993 has been treated in the criminal justice system, not as an enemy combatant. standard operating procedure. frankly, the whole status of enemy combatant remains ambiguous in the legal system. the prisoners in guantanamo bay remain in legal limbo. by treating them as criminal suspects, the obama administration is avoiding all kinds of risks and simply acting as the bush administration has in the past and
to handle suspect who is are american citizens. after his capture on friday, the obama administration announced its decision not to read the suspect his mir anda rights immediately upon arrest. the justice department invoked what is known as the public safety exception, one that enables them to get information relating to a possible imminent attack. immediately after tsarnaev was apprehended, the u.s. attorney in boston, carmen ortiz explained the choice not to read tsarnaev his miranda rights. >> there is a public safety exemption in cases of national security and potential charges involving acts of terrorism. so the government has the opportunity right now. >> the decision was not welcomed by everyone. in a statement the aclu called the move unamerican. explaining every criminal defendant has a right to be brought before a judge and to have access to counsel. we mustwaiveer from our tried and true. urging the administration to go further and declare the suspect an enemy combatant. a move that would strip tsarnaev of his constitutional rights. on fox news sunday, congressman peter ki
at guantanamo bay in cuba. the obama administration has insisted that criminal trials can be just as effective, and tsarnaev is an american citizen, which could complicate putting him in a military court. the actual filing of criminal charges. that could come quite quickly. even within the next day or so. and the -- he would then appear before a federal magistrate. if he is not well enough to leave the hospital, that hearing could actually be done in his hospital room. alex? >> okay, pete, so what point does he get an attorney? >> well, he gets a lawyer during this questioning process for the next 48 hours. under this rule. he has no right to the miranda right. once he exercises his miranda warning, though -- once he exercises his miranda rights he has the choice to stop answering questions. but what the justice department says is, most people in these cases, surprisingly enough, continue to talk anyway. but if he says i'm not going to talk, then they have to stop the questioning. >> hmm. it's interesting, i know that you heard the coverage with his uncle speaking to him, saying give up, ask f
hearing on the obama administration's controversial drone program. lawmakers wanting to know more about who our government is targeting and killing. a retired air force colonel set to testify joins us live ahead. jon: the boston tere owe attacks may complicate efforts to a bi-partisan immigration reform proposal. the bombing suspect received asylum in the u.s. more than ten years ago. republican law mangers like senator rand paul are urging caution on changing immigration laws right now. senator paul writing to senate majority leader harry reid, quote we should not proceed tpwh-l we understand the specific failures of our immigration system. why did the current system allow two individuals to immigrate to the united states from a chechen republic of russia who committed acts offer to reus eupl. were there any save guards? could this ha been prevented, dores the immigration laws before prevent this? jay carney was asked about this at the press wraoefg. >> do you think rand paul has a point at all that what happened in boston reflects something wrong with the current system of immigration
the two men have been cleared by investigators. >>> a couple of hours ago members of the obamaness administration toured a warehouse training facility in richmond. it highlighted the relationship between community colleges and employers when it comes to building a strong work force. during the visit the labor department announced more than 474 million dollars in grant money is available to workers for in demand high growth occupations. >> we will bring more jobs to the united states. we will help more entrepreneurs to build homegrown businesss that create even more jobs right here in the east bay and across the united states. >> the warehouse facility is operated by contra costa college, the richmond work force investment board and san pablo economic development corporation. >> a few minor changes to our forecast for today but still have plenty of sunshine, lots of clear skies, a few high clouds paying us a visit right now. here is our camera looking toward the bay bridge. see some of those high clouds in the distance over mt. diablo but still lots of sunshine today and into the we
plots. so that's why i've been urging the obama administration to hold him as potential enemy combatant to continue the dialogue apart from the criminal case. >> reporter: on the other hand this has potential to become a political hot potato. the service of the democratic senator carl levin says the suspect should not be held as enemy combatant and says he opportunity see the evidence that tsarnaev is part of organized group and not a legal basis for him to be held as enemy combatant. back to you. >> alisyn: thank you. >> clayton: do the boston bombing suspect expose flaw of the immigration system? chuck grassley brought this up on capitol hill. >> we don't know the immigration status of people who terrorized communities in massachusetts, when we find out, it will help shed light on the weaknesses of our system. >> clayton: that raises a largeer question. could it reshape the immigration reform? ask texas congressman louie goehmert joining us from philadelphia. nice to see you. >> thank you. great to be with you. >> clayton: let's dive deeply in the question. we look at the individuals
the hamptonality. >>> i have been informed that the obama administration has indicated this suspect in boston will not be treated as an enemy combatants. i strongly disagree with the obama administration's decision to rollout enemy combatants status for this suspect at this time. >> sticking around for the second part of our debate, he fled with his tail between his legs. senator lindsey graham and senator talked about obama not try him as an enemy combatants. it was said to see him go, he was a fine figure and a state senator, isn't it? >> al a high state legislature is much more sophisticated than we saw here today. >> let's talk about lindsey graham. sang the government should have left dzhokhar tsarnaev as an enemy combat and, at least on the table as a possibility. >> it is not permissible under the law. you cannot treat an american citizen who is accused of committing an american crime against mostly american citizens in boston as an enemy combatants. it would turn our country -- >> it has never happened before. >> into martial law. the supreme court struck that down and american citize
phase of the case begins. the very complex legal process. an obama administration official telling nbc news tsarnaev will not be given a miranda warning when he's physically able to be interrogated after receiving medical treatment. instead, the official says the government will invoke a legal rule known as the public safety exception. that will allow investigators to question tsarnaev without first advising him of his right to remain silent and be afforded legal counsel. president obama used his weekly address today to praise law enforcement and those involved in tracking tsarnaev down. >> americans refused to be terrorized. ultimately, that's what we'll remember from this week. that's what will remain, the stories of heroism and kindness, resolve and resilience, generosity, and love. >> authorities caught up with the suspect after a tip from a watertown resident. he was hiding in a boat parked outside a home. he is now in a boston hospital and nbc's ron allen is joining me from there. ron, with a good afternoon to you, let's get the very latest on his condition. are you getting word
that jihad. no one can stop it. >> reporter: in a letter to obama administration officials, two top republican members of congress questioned why tamerlan remained at liberty in this country to commit the boston attack. and whether the bureau could have done more to watch them. >> we can't be politically correct. we have to say, has radicalization extended into the chechen community? >> reporter: the fbi says there was little they could do to legally monitor tamerlan tsarnaev once they -- initially determined he was not a threat. but one question congressional investigators have is, having gotten that initial tip from russian intelligence, why didn't anybody at the bureau notice those radical youtube postings on the internet? lester? >> we're going to get into that right now, michael isikoff. don barrelli is a former senior fbi official, now the chief operating officer of a security consulting firm. don, good morning. great to see you. >> good morning, lester. >> should have, could have. those questions always asked following an attack like this. >> yep. >> this older brother was on
to suggest the attack was indicative of a broader plot. >> is the obama administration still convinced from the tsarnaev brothers acted alone? pat buchanan debates on that subject. and coming up next the sole surviving suspect in the marathon bombing will not be held as an enemy combatant. we will debate the legal aspects of this as "hannity" continues. (little girl) no! saw her first day of school. (little girl) bye bye! made a best friend forever. the back seat of my subaru is where she grew up. what? (announcer) designed for your most precious cargo. (girl) what? (announcer) the all-new subaru forester. (announcer) designed for your most precious cargo. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. at tyco integrated security, we consider ourselves business optihow?rs. by building custom security solutions that integrate video, access control, fire and intrusion protection. all backed up with world-class monitoring centers, thousands of qualified technicians, and a personal passion to help protect your business. when your business is optimized like that, there's no stopping you. we are tyco
the attack was indicative of a broader plot. >> is the obama administration still convinced from the tsarnaev brothers acted alone? pat buchanan debates on that subject. and coming up next the sole surviving suspect in the marathon bombing will not be held as an enemy combatant. we will debate the legal aspects of this i'm just saying, why does the enterprise get all the good missions? [ bang, alarm blaring ] here we go. on-screen. i'm very sorry. i think i ran into you. it's space. you couldn't go around me? don't worry. i have esurance. their modern tools let me customize my policy. are you okay? 'cause you look a little banged up. you look pretty jacked up, man. yeah. that's my face. oh. [ male announcer ] see "star trek into darkness" in theatres may 17th. go to esurance's facebook page for a chance at free movie tickets. go to esurance's facebook page at tyco integrated security, we consider ourselves business optihow?rs. by building custom security solutions that integrate video, access control, fire and intrusion protection. all backed up with world-class monitoring centers, thousands
lunch -- excuse me, dinner with his teenage cousins and the obama administration has never explained why this kid was killed. he was the son of aulaqi, but his dad had been killed two weeks earlier. this tells the stories of war lords who do the operations for u.s. and al qaeda militants and yemen and elsewhere. and really at the heart of it is the fact that one of obama's enduring legacies when it comes to foreign policy, he has solidified assassination as an essential component of policy. >> they can do it in the shadows, as you pointed out. in the book, i would say there hasn't been a lot of public resistance aside from people like you and others in the press. how have they done this without facing much resistance? publicly or inside the government from people who should be stepping up and saying, wait a minute, we can't kill u.s. citizens without due process? >> right, i think there's no question that if john mccain had won the election in 2008 or mitt romney had won it in 2012 that liberals would be screaming about this stuff and saying, you know, that -- there would be this thing,
before a military commission perhaps even at guantanamo bay in cuba. the obama administration has insisted that criminal trials can be just as effective and tsarnaev is an american citizen which could complicate putting him in a military court. the next step is filing formal charges which could come within the next day or so with an initial appearance before a federal magistrate. if he's not well enough to move, that could still be done in the hospital. lest lester? >> we want to get the latest on the conditions of the surviving suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev. ron allen is outside of the boston hospital where he is being treated. ron, what's the latest from there? >> reporter: good morning, lester. we're not hearing anything officially from the hospital staff here. they are deferring all questions to the fbi because this is of course an extremely sensitive manner. we believe he's in serious condition. we believe he was wounded at some point in the process because the man who found him found him under a tarp covered in blood was the way his condition was described then. sources have al
. >>> the battle over cyber spying could be heating up. the obama administration is considering taking aggressive action against china. it follows repeated warnings. bill plante is at the white house. bill, good morning. >> reporter: good morning. it's mostly done by the military. but has become such a concern in recent months that president obama brought it up in a conversation with china's new president. they're considering ways to retaliate. officials say trade sanctions against china are among the things being considered. "the wall street journal" today reports other measures could include indictments of chinese nationals and even cyber attacks by the u.s. against the chinese hackers. there was a formal protest in china earlier this year and secretary of state john kerry said the u.s. and china have formed a group to work on the issue, but there's very deep skepticism about that since most of the chinese hacking is coming from the chinese military. anthony, norah? >> bill, thank you. time to show you some of this morning's headlines from around the globe. "the new york ti
are being security purposes. i hope the obama administration will allow us that option that exists in our law. they have a very bad track record here. >> the white house telling reporters it would try the younger brother in federal court and that no options were considered. >> this is a matter that's decided by the department of justice and the attorney general, obviously at the top, the whole national security team supports this decision. >> military trial was not an option in this case because the 19-year-old is an american citizen. even if it provided more information about his brother who was killed last week. shep. >> shepard: catherine herridge in washington. catherine, thank you. that criminal complaint details the suspect's serious injuries. gunshot wounds to the head, the throat, the legs, and the hand. investigators say it appears the suspect shot himself as swat teams closed. in a possible attempt to kill himself they say. today, officers said he was in very bad shape by the time they took him down. >> moving up to the boat, he was actually laying down on the side of the boat.
there is no right to legal council when you are being questioned for national security purposes. i hope the obama administration will allow us that option that exists in our law. they have a very bad track record here. >> cane see mike tobin again? >> 10 seconds later the second explosion goes off according to the fbi at the location where he dropped his -- please don't do that, where he dropped his knapsack. shepherd? >> the only bright spot in this whole thing. ambassador, is it a mistake not to label him a combatant? can we still an interrogate him? >> there is a choice that has to be made here whether you treat these criminals as through the criminal justice system or you treat them as enemy combatants. it is because they are too fundamentally -- two fund mentally different things at work. if you think there is just a jumped up case of bank robbery it is for the criminal justice system. if you think it is part of an on going war against the united states it is completely different paradigm. and trying to mix the two together which many do hurts us both in criminal law enforcement and in the w
with this administration is that their policies are failing. they do not believe that we're at war. >> the obama administration is failing? what you see there is the senator pivoting from legitimate questions about the fbi to using those questions to undermine the president and his entire national security policy. it's unfair and, more than that, it's wrong. while a terror victim, a fallen police officer, were being laid to rest, senator graham was on fox news to use the boston tragedy as an excuse to dredge up tired, old complaints about benghazi. >> what do i mean by upping our game? making sure that when the ambassador in libya tells the state department and the department of defense that al qaeda flags are flying over benghazi, i can't defend my consulate against a coordinated attack, that you do something about it. that when a consulate is under attack and an ambassador is missing for 7 1/2 hours you have the ability to go to their rescue. and after the fact you don't lie to the american people. >> lie to the american people? what does boston benghazi? that's not a clip from last year. that
you think, why you think this and they say they never got a response. >> the obama administration has okayed the suspension of the suspect's miranda rights. is that a temporary suspension? >> reporter: yes, by law it is. it's called the public safety exception to the miranda rule. normally you have to tell someone they have a right to remain silent and if you don't, then you can't use anything they tell you in court. so that's why the miranda warning is given. but there is an exception. you don't have to do it if there's a possible threat to public safety. and here obviously there's a concern about whether there are potential accomplices. investigators say they haven't found any. or other explosives. they say they haven't found any of those either but that's what they want to ask him. and this exception probably begins to expire the moment you invoke it so it's probably no good for more than a day or two but nonetheless they can do that. afterwards they'll have to give him his miranda warning and say whether he'll continue to answer questions. the justice department says even in very
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. there's a possibility it also brings them together. a week ago, president obama's administration put the president of chechnya, accused of human rights abuses, on a secret list of people not allowed to come to the united states that angered the kremlin. it angered vladimir putin, his ally. now they have in some ways, a common enemy if there's a connection at all to the broader chechen radical movement. >> peter baker, white house correspondent for "the new york times," thank you so much for your time. >>> i want to bring in wnbc's jonathan ,b├Ędienst. we're getting news that terror suspect, tamerlan tsarnaev who was killed in a shootout this morning is reportedly flew in and out of john f. kennedy last year and was out of the country for six months. investigators do not know if tsarnaev received any terror training while he was overseas, but it adds another piece to this evolving puzzle. >> that's the question they want to ask, what he was he doing overseize, he does have relatives in russia and he flew in and out of the country, back to kennedy airport, he flew out of new york on ja
to handle him as what they describe as an enemy combat talent. the obama administration doesn't use that term anymore it allows for an indefinite detention of someone under national security concerns. that's what they are hoping for. we will see what the justice department decides, they haven't yet. but certainly, this issue will find its way to washington. there are various house and senate committees that have already said they plan to investigate exactly issues leading up to this explosion and then the subsequent manhunt and investigation and surely those concerned about how the administration handles him in the coming days. no surprise that this group has already said that they would like this because they say frankly, this is what it's for. you find a terrorist on u.s. soil, this is how they should be treated. democrats this after the into, some have already turned around and said, look, the administration is doing just fine on this, this san american citizen, he has to be afforded his rights, the justice department is acting a i appropriate. >> adrian, our pete williams is rep
precisely defined. the obama administration said 48 hours, but that's simply their interpretation. now, this hole miranda issue though i think we can overstate its importance. all miranda does is restrict whether those statements can be used against tsarnaev himself in a court case. they can still use all this other evidence that they have against him. so they may simply decide we're not going to use these statements at all. we're going to prove our case with other evidence. >> true, jeff. >> but then it doesn't matter. >> i'm curious about the voluntary statements. if he offers something up, can't that also be used as opposed to bringing it out in interrogation? >> yes, although it would be difficult to say that an intubated sedated person suddenly decided to write out answers to questions. i think it's quite clear he's being questioned here. the real issue is does the government want to use those answers in court or do they simply want to use it to continue their investigation, which they certainly have every right to do. >> but there's one other issue that relates -- >> go ahead, pr
years ago the obama administration said the war on terror was basically over. >> how you define a problem shapes how you address it. as many have noted, the presidents does not describe this as pa war on terrorism. that is because terrorism is but a tactic. a means to an end. >> and how does the establishment media see the boston terror attack? well, listen to bob woodward. >> the boston event, obviously a serious tragedy. but i don't know that it's going to go down in the history books. the question it is not necessarily that big of an event. >> tell that to the guy who lost both his legs. well, in minnesota, democratic congressman keith ellison who is muslim sees the boston attack this way. >> all these cases where you see acts of radicalized individuals using violence, they may have a religious affiliation but oftentimes when they give reasons for why they did what they did, it is politics. and who knows what these individuals' motivation may be. it probably has to do with politics rather than religion. let's not cast a wide net and go after a whole religious group. >> do tho
issues during the obama administration more than any other current member of purpose. the reason is twofold. one is that senator baucus is the chair of the finance committee, arguably the most powerful committee in the senate. the finance committee, quote, helps dictate how the government raises almost all of its money and spends nearly half of it. the other quality that makes max baucus such a ripe target for lobbying and people with an in to him so valuable is he is not an idealogue. say what you want he is in the center kind of. there is a tool political scientists use to score where lawmakers land on the left/right spectrum. with senators ranked in the 112 itth congress with number one being most liberal baucus landed at 45. only a handful of democrats ranked more conservative. here is max baucus occupying the lonelily and quickly evaporating center of american politics we all pine for, the center we all lament the vanishing of. the problem we all say in washington is we have these extremes, the left and the right, and they can't get together. here is max baucus in the center
disagree with the obama's administration decision to rule out enemy combatant suspect. >> reporter: labeling him as an enemy combatant would allow the government to question him without an attorney president and maybe get some of those answers. barbara starr, cnn, the pentagon. >> thanks, barbara. most of us can't even begin to imagine the incredibly tense moments that led up to the arrest of dzhokhar cztsarnaev. but that's what they are trained to do. the s.w.a.t team that took tsarnaev into custody describes the final moments to anderson cooper. let's listen. >> let's do it. let's do what we're trained to do. this is the suspect. we're trained to go in and apprehend him. you can see one hand is clear of any weapons each time he went the other way, his hand went down inside the boat out of our view. i know everybody here we've spoken about it. each time he did that, we had to assume he was reaching for either a weapon, a firearm or some explosive ignition device to kind of draw us in and take us out in a suicide type manner. he did that a couple of times as we're still approaching
discussion that the blind sheik, whose picture is up on the screen now, might be freed by the obama administration, that president morsi in egypt that seemed to infuriate you some what and you wrote an article, "will obama free the blind sheik?" now if you think about this, in this case, if the death penalty is not sought, are you concerned that some president down the road could ignore the issue of a life sentence imposed by a federal judge and just send the terrorist off somewhere? >> on this guy, tsarnaev? >> right. >> no, i'm not concerned about that. he's very different from the sheik. concerned about that. a sheikh is a highly symbolic figure among muslims. he was and still is widely respected as a muslim scholar, and regarded as an authority. he's a big deal. this guy is a mutt. >> so you're not worried about that? >> no. >> finally the death penalty, if he is charged with those crimes that he clearly can be, he's eligible for the death penalty? >> absolutely. >> do you think that this >> do you think this just disat the present time -- justice department will seek it? >> i h
? >> fundamental question, is this an international terrorism investigation, and did the obama administration know something about these two men back as far back as 2011. what we now know is that the fbi at the request of another country, no one is saying it's russia, at the request of another country looked into the activities of the older brother. there was concern that another country expressed about him. the fbi issuing a statement last night about all of that, and saying in part, and let me read it, "the request stated it was based on information that he, the older brother, was a follower of radical islam and a strong believer, and that he had changed drastically since 2010, as he prepared to leave the united states for travel to the country's region to join unspecified underground groups." we don't know that this request to look into him came from russia, but now russian president vladimir putin today saying he wants some cooperation obviously with u.s. investigators. the u.s. intelligence community, the fbi, the cia now going back through everything they have, trying to see if there were, i
that time against him in a federal courtroom. >> put yourself in the shoes of the obama administration. they want to know as much as they can about how this happened so as to not make -- make sure it doesn't happen again. if he lawyers up, if he is read his miranda rights, he probably will be advised not to cooperate and not to say anything. isn't it just to play devil's advocate in the best interests of the nation to withhold on doing that for a second and gets a much information as they can? >> well, it's a very tough decision, but really the exception they're using is the public safety exception and that's to protect the rest of us, to make sure there aren't any accomplices, any other direct and immediate threats. but after that, it is in the interests of the country to be able to ross cuku prosecute him public courtroom and have people understand what happened. so it is important for the administration and justice department and fbi to give him hir miranda right so is they can use all the evidence against him. there will be many victims and survivors who feel it is important to hav
. the legalization if you're an american and overseas and participating -- >> the obama administration has used this legal argument to justify their drone attacks. it's not unfamiliar to them. >> about a year ago or so, the nypd came under fire for some listening in this -- using surveillance techniques on certain groups. >> in new jersey. >> in new jersey. >> right. >> there was a thing going back and forth between new york, new jersey, whether they were allowed to do this or not. with all this going on, aren't we making the case for more of that rather than less of that? >> yeah, we have to do more of it. it's very uncomfortable. it's very -- none of us want to give up any of our privacy, understandable. the reality is this is how you stop them. this is the only way you have to stop them. that is getting the information in advance. they're doing everything they can to hide what they're doing. law enforcement, intelligence agencies, they have to be able to do everything they can to intrude into them to find out what they're doing. >> mayor, as far as i can tell, we knew about nidal malik hasan
they want to. >> this is a matter of policy under the bush and especially the obama administration, connecting jihad holy war and islamists who embrace it and believe it is their god-directed obligation to engage in it with the attacks or terrorism we are supposed to be defending ourselves against has been impermissible. this is crazy and it has created, i think, vulnerabilities as has frankly the lessening of the engagement of the public in this war. you have been talking about it all morning the public helped enormously once those pictures wept up. it's very much the case that we need to have the public on the case all the time. it's kind of a question of are we on a war footing in the face of this jihadist threat. this global jihadist threat or aren't we? unless and until we are, i think we will wind up having a lot moornd worse of these kind of attacks. >> brian: do you believe there are other people involved with these two? >> there were other people involved certainly in providing, i suspect, freezing rain structure, training and support. we need to find them, too. >> brian:
thoughts on that? >> i don't think that that's going to happen. the obama administration has been clear, they're distancing themselves from that concept. you've got an american citizen. we don't have dzhokhar going abroad in training. his brother apparently did. but dzhokhar didn't. and dzhokhar is going to be tried as an individual on his own right. so i think the chances of this ending up as an enemy combatant are very small. >> but you've heard that because of high security concerns they would like to question him for a period of time, albeit briefly, before mirandizing him and reading him his rights. how long can they do that? how far can they go with those questions? >> well, that's a very good question. because the longer we go, the less likely there is that there's a public security issue here. one thing that the defense will certainly raise is the remarks of the police chief of watertown in which he said these are the only two guys, we're done. now the argument from the government will be well, he wasn't informed. but, you know, that's going to be played out pretty significantly
system of justice. >> i strongly disagree with the obama administration's decision to rule out enemy combatant status for this suspect. >> reporter: and the question of whether the fbi dropped the ball in 2011 when it looked at tamerlan tsarnaev's activity will be the subject of a closed-door briefing on capitol hill later today, when law enforcement officials brief lawmakers. john? >> all right, barbara starr, thanks so much. barbara starr in washington. i want to bring back fran townsend, cnn analyst, former homeland security adviser to president george w. bush. and fran, i want to get your take here. where do you think the investigation stands right now? we've had these initial criminal complaints given dzhokhar tsarnaev. we've seen sort of the case laid out just a little bit. but how about the investigation itself? what are the next steps? >> well, first of all, we know from investigators that they're cooperating with the russians. i talked to sources, federal sources, and the cooperation between russian authorities and the fbi is quite good. both want to understand what they mig
balance that? >> i think the obama administration has done a great job so far in this case in striking that balance. i think they were right to invoke the public safety exception to miranda, which says, hey, if you've got a guy who is a dangerous terrorist, where there may still be attacks that are imminent, where he may have co-conspirators, there may be another bomb out there, you don't have to immediately read the miranda warnings. you can do what any sensible person would do and any sensible police officer would do, first, talk to the guy and make sure there is no other imminent threat. and then i think after they did that initial questioning, they also did the right thing to move him to the civilian criminal justice system. you know, senator graham and others have suggested, oh, no, they should have held him as an enemy combatant, should have held him under the laws of war, i think the experience in the jose padilla case and other cases shows that trying one of these new categories leads to years of legal confusion. >> jenny, let me jump in. just to both of you and we'll wrap this
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